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Good news, and NOT so good news...

Carl Brownd - Jawbone
 

Hi all,

Good news-  most participants have checked in, and appear to be home and enjoying the many great memories of this clinic. I had a blast and learned a lot. It WAS a GREAT clinic!

Not so good news...

-Before I left on Sunday, I decided to go up to the north hangars and FBO, and pay our respects to the Canadians, Havasu Air, and some local pilots.

-After almost 2 hours of venting by those up north, and a severe tongue lashing by many, I tried really hard to just listen and let everyone vent. It seems that we may NOT have averted an international incident..., or several potential FAA reports, and have incurred a severe tarnishing of our image by many.

-I wrote down several pages of notes, and complaints. I tried really hard to play the role of 'Liaison' and Ambassador, and just listen. They really appreciated me coming up and allowing them to be heard, but some moderate to severe damage has occurred. I was able to pour a little water on a big fire, but the fire is not extinguished. I only came away with first and second degree burns.

-Before I left, the Colonel came back up to my plane again. He had calmed down a lot and offered up an apology for the tongue lashing, but he stood fast on some of his concerns. He ended up looking at my plane for a while and we parted on friendly, albeit somewhat strained, terms.

-I had a long conversation with Dula today to relay the information gathered during my excursion up north. I have not had a chance to talk to Tailwind yet, but will soon.

-Dula and I agreed that it might be a good idea to jot down details of any potential incidents that you may have been involved in, or accused of being involved in. Dula recommends these notes be kept personal in case they are needed in the future, and NOT posted on the web.

As always, I am open to any and all personal comments or questions, preferably on my personal e-mail and not on the group site at this point. I will work on a report to submit to Ravens Administration.

Best Regards,

Carl 'Jawbone' Brownd

P.S. I think it would be wise to hold off on the ejection photo and other off colored comments until the fire is extinguished.




Bill "Gunner" Cary
 

Carl,

 Thank you very much for putting yourself in "Harms Way" and trying to cool things down a bit.  I will be interested in hearing the details of your visit when the become declassified.

  Bill "Gunner"

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Carl Brownd - Jawbone via Groups.Io <carlbrownd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Good news-  most participants have checked in, and appear to be home and enjoying the many great memories of this clinic. I had a blast and learned a lot. It WAS a GREAT clinic!

Not so good news...

-Before I left on Sunday, I decided to go up to the north hangars and FBO, and pay our respects to the Canadians, Havasu Air, and some local pilots.

-After almost 2 hours of venting by those up north, and a severe tongue lashing by many, I tried really hard to just listen and let everyone vent. It seems that we may NOT have averted an international incident..., or several potential FAA reports, and have incurred a severe tarnishing of our image by many.

-I wrote down several pages of notes, and complaints. I tried really hard to play the role of 'Liaison' and Ambassador, and just listen. They really appreciated me coming up and allowing them to be heard, but some moderate to severe damage has occurred. I was able to pour a little water on a big fire, but the fire is not extinguished. I only came away with first and second degree burns.

-Before I left, the Colonel came back up to my plane again. He had calmed down a lot and offered up an apology for the tongue lashing, but he stood fast on some of his concerns. He ended up looking at my plane for a while and we parted on friendly, albeit somewhat strained, terms.

-I had a long conversation with Dula today to relay the information gathered during my excursion up north. I have not had a chance to talk to Tailwind yet, but will soon.

-Dula and I agreed that it might be a good idea to jot down details of any potential incidents that you may have been involved in, or accused of being involved in. Dula recommends these notes be kept personal in case they are needed in the future, and NOT posted on the web.

As always, I am open to any and all personal comments or questions, preferably on my personal e-mail and not on the group site at this point. I will work on a report to submit to Ravens Administration.

Best Regards,

Carl 'Jawbone' Brownd

P.S. I think it would be wise to hold off on the ejection photo and other off colored comments until the fire is extinguished.







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RV-9A 
N99WC
Ramona, CA

Mark DuLaney
 

Excellent work Jawbone. Thanks for trying to smooth things over. I know our team worked very hard to be professional and accommodating in our flying and pattern operations. It is sad that for some reason that was not readily apparent to our Canadian friends. 
I will say that their decision to only do RNAV Straight In Approaches to a busy uncontrolled airport was not helpful to the normal flow of traffic. Especially, when their last call was at 5 miles. 
Thanks again for your help and please let us know if you hear anything else from anyone. 
Dula

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 6, 2017, at 17:01, Bill Cary <wpcary@...> wrote:

Carl,

 Thank you very much for putting yourself in "Harms Way" and trying to cool things down a bit.  I will be interested in hearing the details of your visit when the become declassified.

  Bill "Gunner"

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Carl Brownd - Jawbone via Groups.Io <carlbrownd@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Good news-  most participants have checked in, and appear to be home and enjoying the many great memories of this clinic. I had a blast and learned a lot. It WAS a GREAT clinic!

Not so good news...

-Before I left on Sunday, I decided to go up to the north hangars and FBO, and pay our respects to the Canadians, Havasu Air, and some local pilots.

-After almost 2 hours of venting by those up north, and a severe tongue lashing by many, I tried really hard to just listen and let everyone vent. It seems that we may NOT have averted an international incident..., or several potential FAA reports, and have incurred a severe tarnishing of our image by many.

-I wrote down several pages of notes, and complaints. I tried really hard to play the role of 'Liaison' and Ambassador, and just listen. They really appreciated me coming up and allowing them to be heard, but some moderate to severe damage has occurred. I was able to pour a little water on a big fire, but the fire is not extinguished. I only came away with first and second degree burns.

-Before I left, the Colonel came back up to my plane again. He had calmed down a lot and offered up an apology for the tongue lashing, but he stood fast on some of his concerns. He ended up looking at my plane for a while and we parted on friendly, albeit somewhat strained, terms.

-I had a long conversation with Dula today to relay the information gathered during my excursion up north. I have not had a chance to talk to Tailwind yet, but will soon.

-Dula and I agreed that it might be a good idea to jot down details of any potential incidents that you may have been involved in, or accused of being involved in. Dula recommends these notes be kept personal in case they are needed in the future, and NOT posted on the web.

As always, I am open to any and all personal comments or questions, preferably on my personal e-mail and not on the group site at this point. I will work on a report to submit to Ravens Administration.

Best Regards,

Carl 'Jawbone' Brownd

P.S. I think it would be wise to hold off on the ejection photo and other off colored comments until the fire is extinguished.







--
RV-9A 
N99WC
Ramona, CA